{"id":54425,"date":"2024-01-04T07:04:51","date_gmt":"2024-01-04T06:04:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/?p=54425"},"modified":"2025-01-04T00:08:11","modified_gmt":"2025-01-03T23:08:11","slug":"pp-vs-vox-four-clues-to-know-who-is-serious-in-spain-about-the-fight-against-separatism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2024\/01\/04\/pp-vs-vox-four-clues-to-know-who-is-serious-in-spain-about-the-fight-against-separatism\/","title":{"rendered":"PP vs Vox: four clues to know who is serious in Spain about the fight against separatism"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In all countries, the fairest way to evaluate a politician or a party is not to take into account their intentions, but their actions.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p><rel><a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2023\/12\/18\/the-pp-finally-recognizes-what-bildu-is-now-be-coherent-and-support-what-vox-demanded\/\">The PP finally recognizes what Bildu is: now be coherent and support what Vox demanded<\/a><\/rel><br \/>\n<rel><a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2023\/12\/29\/the-bloodstained-hands-of-spanish-socialism-and-the-heads-high-of-the-vox-party-people\/\">The bloodstained hands of Spanish socialism and the heads high of the Vox party people<\/a><\/rel><\/p>\n<p>This Wednesday, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pp.es\/actualidad-noticia\/tellado-enmienda-pp-ley-amnistia-es-un-punto-partida-una-actividad-politica\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the Popular Party (PP) announced that it will present an amendment to the amnesty law<\/a> with which it intends to \"cripify declarations of independence and illegal referendums and consultations, promoting <strong >the dissolution of organizations and\/or legal persons that commit any of these crimes<\/strong>\"<\/em>. Many Spanish media highlighted yesterday on their front pages that the PP's proposal <strong>would involve outlawing separatist parties such as Junts per Catalunya and ERC<\/strong>, in case it organizes again - as they already announced - a separatist coup like the one that carried out in 2017 in Catalonia.<\/p>\n<p>This initiative is very reminiscent of some proposals made by Vox. Logically, <strong>many people will wonder which of the two parties is sincere in making these proposals<\/strong> and takes the fight against separatism seriously, as it represents a threat to national unity. <strong>I propose five clues to clarify doubts.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><big>1. Did that party implement those measures when it governed?<\/big> <\/p>\n<p>It is a question that we can only answer in the case of the PP, since <strong>Vox has not had the opportunity to govern Spain<\/strong>, so it has the benefit of the doubt in its favor. However, <strong>the PP has governed Spain for 15 years<\/strong> (with Jos\u00e9 Mar\u00eda Aznar between 1996 and 2004, and with Mariano Rajoy between 2011 and 2018) <strong>and never promoted or supported these types of measures. <\/strong> In fact, it could have been done during Rajoy's mandate, who faced two illegal separatist consultations (2014 and 2017), and <strong>despite carrying out a reform of the Penal Code in 2015, he did not even contemplated these types of measures<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p><big>2. Has that party proposed the outlawing of separatist parties before?<\/big> <\/p>\n<p>This question is easy to answer, just review the newspaper archives. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rtve.es\/noticias\/20191107\/pp-cs-apoyan-propuesta-vox-asamblea-madrid-para-ilegalizar-a-partidos-independentistas\/1989221.shtml\" target=\" _blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Vox already proposed it in 2019<\/a> in the Madrid Assembly and then the PP supported the proposal, but <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2020\/09\/15\/ilegalizacion-de-los-partidos-separatistas-lo-que-pide-vox-y-lo-que-afirma-la-constitucion\/\">when Vox took that initiative to Congress in 2020<\/a> , <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2020\/09\/16\/la-coherencia-del-pp-lo-que-decia-casado-sobre-ilegalizar-a-los-partidos-separatistas\/\">the PP abstained<\/a>. Less than two months ago, on November 21, 2023, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.senado.es\/web\/actividadparlamentaria\/sesionesplenarias\/pleno\/rwdsesionespleno\/detalle\/votaciones\/index.html?sp=5&legis=15&id1=6&id2=11582\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the Senate voted on a Vox initiative that called for outlawing Junts and ERC<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.senado.es\/web\/actividadparlamentaria\/sesionesplenarias\/pleno\/rwdsesionespleno\/detalle\/votaciones\/index.html?sp=5&legis=15&id1=6&id2=11582&ord=GP\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the PP voted against<\/a >, together with the left and the separatists.<\/p>\n<p><big>3. Has that party fought the separatist parties in court?<\/big> <\/p>\n<p>Once again, newspaper archives shed light on this matter. <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20170221115927\/https:\/\/www.voxespana.es\/vox-se-querella-contra-los-principales-dirigentes-de-la-generalidad-por-los-datos-revelados-por-santiago-vidal\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Vox began in 2017 the judicial process against the ringleaders of the separatist coup<\/a> perpetrated that same year in Catalonia, a complaint that allowed those seditionists to be taken to prison. <strong>The PP, then in government, did not take any judicial action against the promoters of that coup<\/strong> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lasexta.com\/programas\/el-objetivo\/prueba-verificacion\/el-gobierno-asegura-que-fue-un-juez-quien-ordeno-las-detenciones-de-cargos-de-la-generalitat-del-miercoles_2017092159c3d5c70cf2c760c1010875.html\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">he even disassociated himself from his arrests<\/a>, but two years later, when the rebels were put on trial, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2019\/02\/13\/el-pp-se-atribuye-el-merito-de-vox-de-llevar-a-los-golpistas-a-juicio-asi-comenzo-esta-causa\/\">the PP took credit for the result of the judicial actions of Vox<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><big>4. Has that party made agreements with separatist parties?<\/big><\/p>\n<p>It is a question of pure coherence: it would not be credible for a party to claim that it intends to outlaw separatist parties and at the same time make a pact with them. That question is easy to answer. <strong>Vox has not reached any agreement with separatist parties.<\/strong> In fact, the relationship between Vox and these parties is one of pure hostility, as demonstrated by the harassment that separatism has been promoting against Vox for years.<\/p>\n<p>On the contrary, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.heraldo.es\/noticias\/nacional\/2024\/01\/03\/pp-sondeo-pacto-jxcat-elecciones-generales-1701462.html\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the PP raised a possible pact with Junts after the last general elections<\/a>. Likewise, in September <a href=\"https:\/\/www.elperiodico.com\/es\/politica\/20230914\/pp-junts-psc-pacto-barcelona-presupuestos-92087648\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">The PP proposed to Junts and the PSC to agree on Barcelona's budgets<\/a>. This, unfortunately, is nothing new: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2019\/03\/16\/esto-si-fue-tirar-millones-de-votos-a-la-basura-18-casos-en-los-que-el-pp-se-rio-de-sus-votantes\/\">the PP had already agreed with the CiU separtists<\/a> when they imposed linguistic fines on merchants for label in Spanish.<\/p>\n<p><strong>These are the facts. Now, on this basis, readers are free to decide who they prefer to trust.<\/strong> Of course, to those who decide to trust a party like the PP, which has a habit of not keeping its promises, I ask you at least to then don't come with tears.<\/p>\n<p>---<\/p>\n<p><small>Photos: <a href=\"https:\/\/flickr.com\/photos\/184387553@N07\/53214642867\/in\/dateposted\/\">Vox Congreso<\/a> \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/populares\/53215835120\/in\/dateposted\/\">Partido Popular<\/a>.<\/small><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In all countries, the fairest way to evaluate a politician or a party is not to take into account their intentions, but their actions.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"inline_featured_image":false,"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[19536,10398],"tags":[10998,641,11462,7535],"class_list":["post-54425","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-we-said-yesterday","category-spain","tag-nationalism","tag-partido-popular","tag-spain","tag-vox"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/54425"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=54425"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/54425\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=54425"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=54425"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=54425"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}