{"id":55754,"date":"2024-05-06T23:37:14","date_gmt":"2024-05-06T21:37:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/?p=55754"},"modified":"2025-05-06T00:20:43","modified_gmt":"2025-05-05T22:20:43","slug":"the-drawbacks-of-the-russian-turtle-tank-a-t-72-with-a-metal-shell","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2024\/05\/06\/the-drawbacks-of-the-russian-turtle-tank-a-t-72-with-a-metal-shell\/","title":{"rendered":"The drawbacks of the Russian 'turtle tank', a T-72 with a metal shell"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The Russian invasion of Ukraine is seeing the re-emergence of forms of warfare straight out of the World War I.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p><rel><a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2024\/02\/24\/ukraine-vs-afghanistan-the-military-losses-of-the-ussr-in-ten-years-and-those-of-russia-in-two\/\">Ukraine vs Afghanistan: the military losses of the USSR in ten years and those of Russia in two<\/a><\/rel><br \/>\n<rel><a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2023\/04\/30\/reality-vs-propaganda-the-problems-of-the-russian-tank-t-14-armata-and-its-deployment-in-ukraine\/\">Reality vs propaganda: the problems of the Russian tank T-14 Armata and its deployment in Ukraine<\/a><\/rel><\/p>\n<p>In addition to continuing the trench fighting, <strong>in April something very curious was seen in the Krasnoj\u00f3rivka (Donetsk) area<\/strong>, which looks more like the tanks of the First World War than the current tanks. The Telegram channel <a href=\"https:\/\/t.me\/WarriorsUkrainian\/25670?single\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Warriors Ukrainian<\/a><strong> spread this image of the vehicle in question <\/strong>, captured by a Ukrainian drone:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/live.staticflickr.com\/65535\/53703578201_c4d18370c7_b.jpg\" style=\"width:100%; height:auto; border:0px;\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>There was no Russian armored vehicle with this strange appearance<\/strong>, which is very reminiscent of the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/A7V\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">German A7V Sturmpanzerwagen<\/a> from the First World War.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/live.staticflickr.com\/65535\/53702681247_007598d70c_b.jpg\" style=\"width:100%; height:auto; border:0px;\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The invasion of Ukraine is causing a headache for the Russian armored forces. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2024\/02\/24\/ukraine-vs-afghanistan-the-military-losses-of-the-ussr-in-ten-years-and-those-of-russia-in-two\/\">By two years after the invasion, the Russians had already lost 2,754 tanks and 5,140 armored personnel carriers<\/a>, colossal figures, especially if we take into account that <strong>In 10 years in Afghanistan, the USSR lost 147 tanks and 1,314 armored transports<\/strong>. The reason for these high losses in Ukraine is mainly due to portable anti-tank missiles and drones, which allow artillery fire to be directed with great precision. These images that we see here, published by <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/AndreiBtvt\/status\/1781401585920127440\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">AndreiBtvt<\/a>, show <strong>some curious solutions that the Russians sought to better protect their tanks<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/live.staticflickr.com\/65535\/53703578216_45df123861_b.jpg\" style=\"width:100%; height:auto; border:0px;\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>These improvised solutions may offer some protection against suicide drones<\/strong> or drones that drop mortar shells, but they are useless against anti-tank missiles, artillery fire, and tank fire. Ukrainians. <strong>These improvisations are explained, to a large extent<\/strong>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2023\/04\/30\/reality-vs-propaganda-the-problems-of-the-russian-tank-t-14-armata-and-its-deployment-in-ukraine\/\">due to the fiasco of the modern T-14 Armada tank<\/a> (which has not even appeared on the Ukrainian front due to its engine problems) <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2022\/09\/18\/new-humiliation-for-russia-ukraine-captures-a-t-90m-the-most-modern-active-russian-tank\/\">and the destruction of the T-90M<\/a>, the most modern Russian tank that has appeared on the front in Ukraine.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/live.staticflickr.com\/65535\/53702681282_10605329f9_b.jpg\" style=\"width:100%; height:auto; border:0px;\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The Russian solution to this problem has consisted of <strong>adding a shell made of armored plants to its tanks<\/strong>, as we can see in this other photo published by <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/AndreiBtvt \/status\/1781401585920127440\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">AndreiBtvt<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/live.staticflickr.com\/65535\/53704009575_c4dd1c21a2_b.jpg\" style=\"width:100%; height:auto; border:0px;\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The following images were posted by <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/bayraktar_1love\/status\/1783434960453423140\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\"> Special Kherson Cat<\/a> on April 25 and shows what that that metal shell hides: <strong>a T-72 tank<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/live.staticflickr.com\/65535\/53703578196_86f8deca5d_b.jpg\" style=\"width:100%; height:auto; border:0px;\" \/><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/live.staticflickr.com\/65535\/53703967219_6bf19e53f6_b.jpg\" style=\"width:100%; height:auto; border:0px;\" \/><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/live.staticflickr.com\/65535\/53704063365_cbb1db6607_b.jpg\" style=\"width:100%; height:auto; border:0px;\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Ukrainian forces know these vehicles as \"turtle tanks\"<\/strong> due to their appearance. <a href=\"https:\/\/es.topwar.ru\/241482-car-mangal-vynuzhdennaja-jevoljucija-bronetehniki-kak-otvet-na-faktor-frv-dronov.html\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank \">The Russians know them as \"Tsar-Barbecue\"<\/a> or simply as \"barbecues.\" Obviously, this additional protection creates some problems. <strong>In addition to reducing visibility for the tank crew and reducing the angle of movement of its main gun<\/strong>, which makes these T-72s even more vulnerable vehicles than they already were, <strong>the shell adds considerable additional weight<\/strong>for which the tank engine is not prepared. This video from <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Teoyaomiquu\/status\/1787162849975873639\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">@Teoyaomiquu<\/a> seems to suggest that <strong>these \"turtle tanks\" They would be used to remove mines leading armored columns:<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-media-max-width=\"665\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">this thing is huge. If it&#39;s role is purely plow the mines, it can work. However it&#39;s clear that it can&#39;t aim properly.<\/p>\n<p>The tracks are still very vulnerable. however the FPVs are really hard to aim into the tracks, because of high chances of losing control over the drone at the\u2026 <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/JdIfLlPGzX\">pic.twitter.com\/JdIfLlPGzX<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; \u2719 Constantine \u2719 (@Teoyaomiquu) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Teoyaomiquu\/status\/1787162849975873639?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">May 5, 2024<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p> <script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>About the vulnerability of these tanks, yesterday <a href=\"https:\/\/t.me\/bat1brigade5\/408\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the 1st Assault Battalion of the 5th Separate Kiev Assault Brigade published a video<\/a> showing a Russian attack with a turtle tank on the Bakhmut front. <strong>A turtle tank was destroyed after stepping on a mine:<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-media-max-width=\"665\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">\/7. Russian attack with the use of turtle tanks on the Bakhmut front. Smoke cover is also actively used. One of the tanks hits a mine twice. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/p7ExmB39Kd\">https:\/\/t.co\/p7ExmB39Kd<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/aDrPIu08xG\">pic.twitter.com\/aDrPIu08xG<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Special Kherson Cat \ud83d\udc08\ud83c\uddfa\ud83c\udde6 (@bayraktar_1love) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/bayraktar_1love\/status\/1787419876354617593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">May 6, 2024<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p> <script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>That is to say, in addition to the problems that this shell adds, <strong>the turtle tanks end up destroyed by the mines that they would theoretically have to clean<\/strong>. Someday someone should write a big book about all the mistakes made by the Russian armored forces in Ukraine.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Russian invasion of Ukraine is seeing the re-emergence of forms of warfare straight out of the World War I.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"inline_featured_image":false,"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[19536,11544],"tags":[10731,16153,15458,15307],"class_list":["post-55754","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-we-said-yesterday","category-army","tag-russia","tag-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-of-2022","tag-t-72","tag-ukraine"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/55754","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=55754"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/55754\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=55754"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=55754"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=55754"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}