{"id":56921,"date":"2024-08-27T05:31:33","date_gmt":"2024-08-27T03:31:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/?p=56921"},"modified":"2025-08-27T00:11:29","modified_gmt":"2025-08-26T22:11:29","slug":"states-and-social-media-should-we-distrust-one-the-other-or-both","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2024\/08\/27\/states-and-social-media-should-we-distrust-one-the-other-or-both\/","title":{"rendered":"States and social media: should we distrust one, the other, or both?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Maybe it's because of my age, but I realize that I'm beginning to tread carefully when it comes to expressing my opinion on these issues.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p><rel><a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2024\/07\/13\/elon-musk-denounces-an-illegal-attempt-by-von-der-leyen-to-impose-censorship-on-twitter\/\">Elon Musk denounces an illegal attempt by Von der Leyen to impose censorship on Twitter<\/a><\/rel><br \/>\n<rel><a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2022\/12\/02\/the-scandal-of-censorship-on-facebook-by-governments-without-going-through-justice\/\">The scandal of censorship on Facebook by governments without going through Justice<\/a><\/rel><\/p>\n<p>If experience teaches you anything, it is that <strong>the world is more complex than we sometimes think and not everything is what it seems<\/strong>. I say this in light of the growing debate over freedom of expression on social media, a debate fueled by events such as <a href=\"https:\/\/apnews.com\/world-news\/general-news-998139f854f77bc2e94a7a70913a3f04\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the arrest of the owner of Telegram in France<\/a>, accused of not collaborating with the authorities of that country in the prosecution of various crimes, or <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/JudiciaryGOP\/status\/1828201780544504064\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the letter from Mark Zuckerberg, owner of Facebook, acknowledging pressure from the Biden administration to censor his network<\/a> without going through the courts, which is a clear violation of <a href=\"https:\/\/constitution.congress.gov\/constitution\/amendment-1\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><big>Pavel Durov's arrest: a political decision by Macron?<\/big><\/p>\n<p>On the case of Telegram owner Pavel Durov, yesterday the president of France, <a href=\"https:\/\/apnews.com\/world-news\/general-news-be648841961b56f60276a59a99ceeb88\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Emmanuel Macron, said that the arrest was not a political measure<\/a>, and added: <em>\"It is up to the judges to decide on this matter.\"<\/em> However, <a href=\"https:\/\/apnews.com\/world-news\/general-news-998139f854f77bc2e94a7a70913a3f04\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">the arrest order came from the Ministry of the Interior<\/a> within the framework of <a href=\"https:\/\/efe.com\/otras-noticias-espana\/2024-08-26\/telegram-dice-cumple-leyes-ue-pavel-durov-no-tiene-nada-ocultar\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">an investigation by the Prosecutor's Office<\/a>, which, as is the case in Spain, <a href=\"https:\/\/academic.oup.com\/edited-volume\/41333\/chapter\/352363260\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">is at the government's disposal<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><big>What interest could Macron have in Telegram?<\/big><\/p>\n<p><strong>What would Macron be seeking with this arrest? It is obvious: to exercise greater control over Telegram,<\/strong> under the excuse of pursuing crimes, but with an eye on controlling behavior that is absolutely legal. <strong>I do not remember France taking such drastic action against Twitter when<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2021\/08\/15\/la-escandalosa-tolerancia-de-twitter-hacia-los-talibanes-tras-censurar-a-donald-trump\/\">that network tolerated the Taliban while censoring Trump<\/a>, at a time when Jack Dorsey seemed intent on expelling all conservatives from that social network. There was also no scandal when <strong>at the same time<\/strong>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2021\/02\/08\/twitter-tolera-mensajes-incitando-sin-rodeos-a-agredir-y-matar-a-los-miembros-de-vox\/\">Twitter tolerated messages calling for the attack and killing of members of Vox<\/a>, a conservative party that has been the victim of a wave of harassment and attacks by the far left.<\/p>\n<p>Twe take into account that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2021\/08\/08\/la-aberrante-ideologia-que-esta-emergiendo-con-la-pandemia-el-liberalismo-totalitario\/\">Macron has been seriously threatening fundamental rights in France for years<\/a>, so he does not deserve any credibility when he says he defends freedom of expression. Let us remember that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.politico.eu\/article\/france-macron-meta-google-dont-deliver-hate-speech\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">in 2023, the French president also singled out Meta (Facebook) and Google for not having very strict moderation policies<\/a>, something that sounds like a bad joke given the repeated attacks by these companies on freedom of speech, especially that of conservative people and organizations.<\/p>\n<p><big>Some things to keep in mind about Telegram<\/big><\/p>\n<p><strong>Does that mean Telegram is completely blameless? No.<\/strong> In fact, I don\u2019t think any social media company is. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.themoscowtimes.com\/2024\/08\/26\/why-pavel-durovs-detention-shook-both-the-russian-opposition-and-putins-regime-a86147\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Yesterday, Russian opposition journalist Konstantin Sonin made a point in The Moscow Times<\/a> that we should keep in mind before taking too passionate an opinion about a person like Pavel Durov:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>\"<strong>In fact, nobody knows what Telegram shares with which governments and under what conditions.<\/strong> There\u2019s no question that Putin\u2019s secret services and intelligence agencies wanted Durov to give them control over Telegram, just as they did with VKontakte. <strong>It\u2019s less clear how much he actually yielded.<\/strong> During protests in Bashkortostan a few years ago, <strong>it seemed that the FSB was able to use Telegram data<\/strong>. During the Russia-Ukraine war, <strong>a popular Ukrainian channel helping Russian soldiers to desert was censored<\/strong>.\"<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Sonin believes that <strong>Durov <em>\"certainly made good use of the opportunities provided by Putin\u2019s corrupt and militaristic regime, but he is also a victim of that same regime.<\/strong> It\u2019s a complicated case, no matter how you look at it.\"<\/em><\/p>\n<p><big>Big tech companies and their ability to influence<\/big><\/p>\n<p>Obviously, <strong>as a classic liberal, I distrust all states<\/strong>, and I believe that political power must be clearly limited because <strong>rulers have historically demonstrated their propensity to abuse their power<\/strong>, in one way or another. Such abuses also occur in democratic countries, and <strong>the state attacks on freedom of expression that we are seeing lately are a clear example of this<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>However, just because we should distrust states does not mean that we should direct our distrust exclusively against them. <strong>We classic liberals too often forget that abuse of power is not a flaw exclusive to politicians: it also occurs among companies<\/strong>, particularly among the largest ones, such as the big technology companies, <strong>including the main social media companies: some of them have more power than many states<\/strong>, due to their enormous capacity to influence public debate on an international scale.<\/p>\n<p>Three years ago, in the midst of another debate about the censorship being applied by some of these companies, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2021\/01\/10\/seccion-230-el-motivo-real-por-el-que-los-gigantes-tecnologicos-odian-tanto-a-trump\/\">I pointed out here<\/a> that <strong>if these companies decided to invade the political sphere, they could effectively take over a country by stifling public debate and altering an electoral campaign<\/strong> to their liking, to benefit the party or candidate that favored them the most. <strong>This is what some of them clearly did in 2020, as demonstrated by Zuckerberg's letter in favor of Biden.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><big>What happens when a state and a big tech company join forces<\/big><\/p>\n<p>Despite my disagreements with him, I must point out that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2021\/01\/10\/seccion-230-el-motivo-real-por-el-que-los-gigantes-tecnologicos-odian-tanto-a-trump\/\">Donald Trump wanted to put a stop to these practices with Section 230<\/a> and with his <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200601052313\/https:\/\/www.whitehouse.gov\/presidential-actions\/executive-order-preventing-online-censorship\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">\"Executive Order on Preventing Online Censorship\"<\/a>, which denounced the following:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>\"<strong>One United States company, for example, created a search engine for the Chinese Communist Party that would have blacklisted searches for \u201chuman rights,\u201d<\/strong> hid data unfavorable to the Chinese Communist Party, and tracked users determined appropriate for surveillance.  It also established research partnerships in China that provide direct benefits to the Chinese military. <strong>Other companies have accepted advertisements paid for by the Chinese government that spread false information about China\u2019s mass imprisonment of religious minorities<\/strong>, thereby enabling these abuses of human rights.\"<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This shows that <strong>a social network can be a dangerous ally of a state that wants to attack fundamental rights<\/strong>, and something like this should alert us to the risk that this social network could decide on its own what can and cannot be said at a global level. We must bear in mind that <strong>the thirst for power is much more dangerous than greed and it does not only occur among politicians<\/strong>. I think it is great that there are businessmen who are active defenders of freedom of expression, like Elon Musk, but <strong>I think it is necessary to have a certain distrust towards all those who have too much power in their hands<\/strong>, whether they are politicians or businessmen. Power corrupts even more than money.<\/p>\n<p>---<\/p>\n<p><small>Photo: <a href=\"https:\/\/unsplash.com\/es\/fotos\/personas-que-usan-el-telefono-mientras-estan-de-pie-qZenO_gQ7QA\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Camilo Jim\u00e9nez<\/a>.<\/small><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Maybe it&#8217;s because of my age, but I realize that I&#8217;m beginning to tread carefully when it comes to expressing my opinion on these issues.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"inline_featured_image":false,"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[19536,10395],"tags":[9189,11355,10573,747,10575,2658,1280,22568,17125,10731,13801],"class_list":["post-56921","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-we-said-yesterday","category-social-media","tag-donald-trump","tag-elon-musk","tag-emmanuel-macron","tag-facebook","tag-france","tag-joe-biden","tag-mark-zuckerberg","tag-pavel-durov","tag-peoples-republic-of-china","tag-russia","tag-telegram"],"publishpress_future_action":{"enabled":false,"date":"2026-08-12 01:28:09","action":"change-status","newStatus":"draft","terms":[],"taxonomy":"category","extraData":[]},"publishpress_future_workflow_manual_trigger":{"enabledWorkflows":[]},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/56921","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=56921"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/56921\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=56921"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=56921"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=56921"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}