{"id":59462,"date":"2025-05-02T18:37:12","date_gmt":"2025-05-02T16:37:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/?p=59462"},"modified":"2026-05-02T17:58:30","modified_gmt":"2026-05-02T15:58:30","slug":"what-percentage-of-spain-would-you-have-ceded-to-napoleons-france-to-avoid-more-deaths","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2025\/05\/02\/what-percentage-of-spain-would-you-have-ceded-to-napoleons-france-to-avoid-more-deaths\/","title":{"rendered":"What percentage of Spain would you have ceded to Napoleon's France to avoid more deaths?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>On May 2, 1808, the people of Madrid rose up against the French invaders in an uprising that led to a war.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p><rel><a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2023\/05\/02\/ukraine-spain-and-the-second-of-may-two-wars-of-independence-with-remarkable-similarities\/\">Ukraine, Spain and the Second of May: Two wars of independence with remarkable similarities<\/a><\/rel><br \/>\n<rel><a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2023\/02\/24\/patriotism-and-the-russian-invasion-do-you-ask-of-ukraine-what-you-would-not-accept-for-your-country\/\">Patriotism and the Russian invasion: Do you ask of Ukraine what you would not accept for your country?<\/a><\/rel><\/p>\n<p>Today, <strong>Spain remembers with pride and admiration that popular uprising<\/strong>, which fueled the bitter struggle that saw our country regain its independence. In fact, in Spain, that war is commonly known as the \"War of Independence.\"<\/p>\n<p>That war lasted six years, from 1808 to 1814. <a href=\"https:\/\/books.google.es\/books?id=8urEDgAAQBAJ&pg=PA157&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">According to historian Micheal Clodfelter<\/a> (<em>\"Warfare and Armed Conflicts: A Statistical Encyclopedia of Casualty and Other Figures, 1492-2015\"<\/em>), <strong>that war probably left more than a million dead<\/strong>, a figure that would be huge today, but was even more so at the time. Let's keep in mind that <a href=\"https:\/\/archivos.csif.es\/archivos\/andalucia\/ensenanza\/revistas\/csicsif\/revista\/pdf\/Numero_18\/MARIA%20JOSE_GARCIA%20NOTARIO_2.pdf\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">in 1800 Spain had about 11 million inhabitants<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>So, I ask: <strong>What percentage of Spain would you have ceded to Napoleon's France to avoid all those deaths?<\/strong> Perhaps 20% or 50%? To avoid a million deaths, what concessions would you have accepted from the invaders? <strong>Would you have approved of France taking over your province or the region where you live?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I know these questions will provoke indignation. <strong>Spain has always been a country with an indomitable spirit,<\/strong> well captured in these words written by Miguel de Cervantes in Chapter LVIII of \"Don Quixote\":<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em><strong>Freedom, Sancho, is one of the most precious gifts that heaven has bestowed upon mankind<\/strong>; no treasure on earth can match it, nor the sea conceal it; <strong>For freedom as well as for honor, one can and should risk one's life.<\/strong><\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Certainly, suggesting that Spaniards give up part of their country to appease an invader would have been outrageous. However, <strong>today some Spaniards consider that<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/2023\/05\/02\/ukraine-spain-and-the-second-of-may-two-wars-of-independence-with-remarkable-similarities\/\">the Ukrainian people, who are fighting as fiercely as the Spanish did in their War of Independence<\/a>, <strong>should give in to the invaders and give up a part of their country<\/strong> so that there will be no more deaths, even going so far as to blame those deaths on the invaded themselves for resisting the invaders. Once again, I repeat: <strong>Why are you asking Ukrainians for something that they would consider insulting to their country?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>---<\/p>\n<p><small>Image: painting \"Napoleon Crossing the Alps\" by Jacques-Louis David (1748\u20131825).<\/small><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On May 2, 1808, the people of Madrid rose up against the French invaders in an uprising that led to a war.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"inline_featured_image":false,"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[19536,10375],"tags":[10575,639,10731,16153,11462,11685,15307],"class_list":["post-59462","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-we-said-yesterday","category-history","tag-france","tag-napoleon-bonaparte","tag-russia","tag-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-of-2022","tag-spain","tag-spanish-war-of-independence","tag-ukraine"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/59462"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=59462"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/59462\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=59462"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=59462"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.outono.net\/elentir\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=59462"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}